]Skillz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:25 pmPlease tell me how you intend to compete at a high level while only participating in half the competition, Steve. Please.SystemViper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:23 pm @skillz
One main theme in your line in your post keeps buggin me,
you said, not me. competition is winning, please define winning.
My definition is winning is being able to compete at a high level to achieve my desired goal, as stated i like being in the top 10. I feel good if i can achieve that, that is mine for boinc games. it's not being #1 but yo have a chance
I have been in the top 10 since I joined BG, actions not words?
So I have been able to compete, before.
You want to be in the Top 10? Nothing, absolutely nothing is stopping you from achieving those goals on the projects you want to run. Each project is tracked individually. You want to be top 10 on your specific projects? Go for it. You want to be top 10 overall, then you need to run the overall competition not just half of it.
So i'm not listening but you are?> It's statedabove.
I am not telling you to move along. You're just not reading anything. You're not even giving the new system a chance. Literally as SOON as the points changed you grabbed your pitch forks and came running to the forums to complain.SystemViper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:23 pm being able to compete and winning are totally different, but...
you ask for comentatary but you don't try to understand it instead you tell me to move along,
so i won't voice my opinion
so if you want and i'll stop trying to help.
Had you waited, you would have noticed that the points were incorrect for a few of the teams where some projects were somehow counted double or triple. Once Kiska (well Ian&Steve is the one who discovered the discrepancies) fixed it the points changed drastically between those teams effected.
Your spokesman is telling me that!
Please, for the love of God Steve. Tell me what is not fair.SystemViper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:23 pm My question IE post title. Is this points system fair?
isn't that a valid question and isn't my POV relevant, alas i am a cruncher?
If you don't run all the projects you have very little chance of running this competition and doing well.
it's the way your points system is set up/ But under the old system you didn't have to run every project, it in the numbers. Even your spokesman said he was being held back.
While also telling me this, also let me know how it's not fair that only the top 10 teams (or individuals) were able to score points previously. IE: Explain this to me.
What is your goal, making a competitive game that is fair to all or trying to get people to crunch more?
or something different? or don't you have a goal?
Team ABC ranks 11th in ALL 30 projects.
Team XYC ranks 10th in ONE project and has no presence in any of the other projects.
Old system. Team XYC would be above ABC with 1 BG point in the overall ranks. Team ABC would be in 11th.
New system. Team XYC is below ABC with 270 points. Team ABC is in 10th place now with 7875 points.
Doesn't that make a more fair system for all teams, not just catering to those who are in the top 10?
No it's not better for a cruncher that chooses to run only programs that they feel are important, not having to run every program.
I will need to understand your example soi will reply later with specifics.
The fact that you keep bringing up how many systems to have is irrelevant. Most everyone has a "few" rigs as you put it. Unless they had enough rigs to put them in the top 10, they wouldn't be ranked. So for you to claim you have a "few" systems, now YOU can get points in ALL the projects you intend to crunch regardless if you are in 1st place, 5th place or 250th place. You got points on the board and can compare it to everyone else.SystemViper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:23 pm To me it's more about understanding and trying to make it better, in my little world with my few rigs it "holds me back"!
Doesn't that alone merritt a little discussion, that if one person is "held back" from being reasonably able to compete (not win). It might also affect another member.
that's all i was asking
yea i brought that up once, where do i keep saying that?
It does. So how fun would it be if you can't compete in the top 10? The old system only if you could make it to the top 10 were you able to compete with those in the top 10. Now, regardless if you are in the top 10, top 20, top 100, you can compete with those who have similar computational power as you do.SystemViper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:23 pm Competition doesn't just create winners and success stories. It builds strong personalities, resilience and determination, a sense of humor and humility. It builds high-performing entrepreneurs, executives and business leaders. It makes us strong.
If I can't compete there is no reason to be here.
PG's Challenge Series is not in BETA. It's not a work in progress. It's been running for years. Apples to oranges man.SystemViper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:31 pm Is PrimeGrid changing their points system in the middle/end of the season. NO
Were you asked to voice idea's for the growth of PG? again NO
don't distract from the point of conversation, is the BG points system fair.
I didn't bring up PG your spokesperson did, ask them
Ian&Steve C. wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:25 pm it's clear that Skillz wants this competition to be rooted in supporting all (active) boinc projects. It can help encourage users who wouldn't normally run some projects to branch out and spread the love, so to speak.I said that here:SystemViper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:31 pm When did he say that? It's BG's choice, not debatable so what are you talking about?
again distraction from main topic.OK, I disagree with that statement but it's your choice,Skillz wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:07 pm It promotes teams and individuals to crunch ALL projects which is what these competitions are about. Bringing awareness to all the BOINC projects especially the smaller, lesser known projects so they can get new members to crunch the information they are researching.
I will say this again. The site is in BETA. Changes are going to be happening a lot until we get to a system that works. Try giving something a chance before bringing the pitch forks. I've already explained to you numerous times the reason for changing the points system. It's to give the top 100 teams (instead of top 10) BG points for competing. Its for giving the top 300 individuals (instead of top 10) BG points for competing.SystemViper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:31 pm Again if your point is that your changing the points system mid stream and you feel that it's a "just the way it is" situation, hey I can accept that but don't ask for comments and really try not to listen a moment.
Pitch forks, I was just trying to have conversation about it it's really fair when it impacts me.
I guess unless I agree I am wrong, sorry I won't say anything but the company line bloss.
How does it stop you from competing? How? You only want to run a select few projects. You can compete in them regardless of what the point structure is. BG tracks each project individually.SystemViper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:31 pm It's like WTF, so we can't have a discussion on the points system being fair to everyone, at least if you were honest and replied, "we think this points system is the best way to move forward and were going to give it a try, plus we don't want any discussion of how it affects you, I can handle it, trust me,
but shucking and jiving, attaching the questioner isn't the way to solve this.
I just thing it "holds me back from competing, not winning" that is my reality and thought maybe BG didn't think about that part, woops pardon me.
Well I like to compete in the Marathon, Sprints and Individually. So I saw that your new points system doesn't allow me to compete at a level that I give to everything I do. Good or bad that is my opinion, are you telling me that i'm wrong in my viewpoint.
I understand it's Beta and if you don't want to discuss crunchers prospective, fine you the boss.
I'll keep my mouth shut, but to say your points system doesn't affect anything and fair is nonsense.